Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Wak on 2010-01-10, 08:38

Amanah yang berat untuk gomen..fund tu depa mesti jaga...sebab to ensure survival of the nation. Kalau ada fund, economy will develop, rakyat ada kerja dan boleh sara hidup.

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Chian on 2010-01-10, 08:43

Setuju ngan Wak coz about 40% of Msian income come from Oil & Gas related revenues.

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by kutu_beramboi on 2010-01-10, 09:49

amanah? fuh, persoalan amanah tu sendiri pun dah berat... apatah lagi nak memikulnya...
bengkok tulang belakang kutu memikul perkara amanah ni...

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Racing_Camel on 2010-02-06, 13:52

Hopefully, the future of Petronas with the new President/CEO will be much better.

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by mba2009 on 2010-02-06, 13:56

Salam Semua;

Ramai geng geng bekas bekas Petronas ye kat sini ?

Anyway kawan doa kan depa berjaya je di Iraq...boleh tumpang tengok dan baca je...

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by noble-man on 2010-02-08, 08:50

Racing_Camel wrote:Hopefully, the future of Petronas with the new President/CEO will be much better.


The very first thing the new CEO/ Acting Chairman needs to do is to stop the Brain Drain in Petronas and lure back all the ex-employees with valuable experiences to replace the useless expats. I'm pretty sure if the environment & the package is right many former employees would love to return and serve our country than to work for this 'roller coaster'.

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Chian on 2010-02-08, 08:55

In that case, Petronas has to re-define the word 'LOYALTY' which is one of its core values.

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Post by rizi the doll on 2010-02-08, 12:12

Chian wrote:In that case, Petronas has to re-define the word 'LOYALTY' which is one of its core values.

LOYALTY???
25 years of working in the same company, and at the end of the day, organization have to let people go, atas alasan economic crisis, downturn, macam2 lagi alasan...
where's the loyalty in that?
mana2 skang nie the word loyalty is too "loosely" given by organization...
Organization force feed these "values" to employees, but at the end of the day... employees got screwed...
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Just to share my experience....
Rizi nyer bos pass away (cardiact arrest) 2-3 minggu lepas... 6 tahun ngan syarikat nie, at the end of the day apa dia dapat?
1 week in the "freezer", a few surat takziah... then tanam..
duit juta2 lam a/c pun tak guna gaks... rumah puluh2 bijik tak guna gaks... bini2... opsss... heehhee
syarikat anytime leh dapatkan penganti...
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What I'm trying to say is that...
tak kiralah mana syarikat kita kerja pun...
we only have to be loyal to this one organization... FAMILY...
because at the end of the day... family is what matter most...
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yes yes... Rizi tau nie dah lari topic... tapi nak gak citer...
ambik iktibar.... Smile

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Chian on 2010-02-08, 13:13

That's a good one Rizi.

In the case of Petronas though, once you leave the company, sorry ...... you would never be accepted back into the company.
Wonder when they are going to change this definition of 'loyalty' when other oil giants welcome the return of their ex-staff who would bring more knowledge and expertise gained from elsewhere.

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Post by Wak on 2010-02-08, 13:35

Semoga dengan CEO yang baru, Petronas lebih maju dan berjaya disamping mengharumkan nama Malaysia dimata dunia.

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Post by mba2009 on 2010-02-08, 16:20

Wak wrote:Semoga dengan CEO yang baru, Petronas lebih maju dan berjaya disamping mengharumkan nama Malaysia dimata dunia.

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Salam Sahabat;

Sedih dengar Petronas treat staff Malaysia macam tu...gaji kat mesia ciput...expat kasi gaji lebih...macam la expat bagus je...

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Chian on 2010-02-09, 06:38

Bro,
The irony is ............... here, locals are paid much more and enjoy more other allowances and benefits as compared to expat

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by rizi the doll on 2010-02-09, 07:24

Chian wrote:Bro,
The irony is ............... here, locals are paid much more and enjoy more other allowances and benefits as compared to expat
derang reap benefits from their own country...
sebab tuu bengap camner pun rakyat depa... they will still be paid...
at least kita ada gak story nak citer kat geng Msia tiap kali balik sana... ehehhee...

MBA2009... u sedih sbb dengar citer Msian dibayar way more lower then expat kat Msia...
I used to handle HR in one of JV company with Petronas... tiap2 bulan time nak print payslip... sakit hati dok tengok...
expat keje 9-5... on the dot cabut... yang Msian nie... kul 8-9 malam lum tentu balik lagi...
and some of the expat tak tau apa keje yg derang buat... ramai gaks engineer Msia yang dok komplen...
tapi apakan daya... Rizi cuma Kulikutif...

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Chian on 2010-02-09, 07:29

At least kalaulah Msian firm boleh bayar gaji locals setara ngan expat (coz buat keja sama) pun dah kira ok kan ?
Perhaps kena ubah dasar ............ Dasar Pandang ke Middle East lak , ops .............. mua ha ha

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Wak on 2010-02-09, 07:54

Living in the uneven grounds...but at the same time, a lot of Malaysian companies get multi million dollar contracts.

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Chian on 2010-02-09, 08:16

Even though these companies get multi-million dollar contracts ............ almost every where, we share the same story. Msian firms tend to pay a lot more to expats.

Few months before I came here, one of ex schoolmate yang sekarang jadi Helicopter Pilot kat Kertih merintih coz depa dibayar a lot cheaper compared ngan expats ...... keja sama je ngan dia orang. Dia kata, kalaulah beza perks tak ketara sangat tak pe, unfortunately banyak Bro. Tension member. Bila dia initiate untuk dapatkan sokongan dari semua local pilots untuk approach his management, depa chop dia 'bermasalah'.

So .......... it goes on and on.

Nampak gayanya betullah salah satu tip yang Chian pernah terbaca dari sorang yang so called 'berjaya' sebelum ni. "Expect life as not always be fair. Learn to accept it and deal with it".

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by fixcxer on 2010-02-09, 11:04

Guys,

Don't ever hope you will get paid higher in Malaysia than the expats. It is only here I found that locals are paid higher. After giving it a thought, that is just one of their ways to get their own people to 'work', or at least datang kerja.

We don't have that problem back home. Sorang resign, berduyun-duyun lagi datang mintak kerja. So how? There is no reason to pay locals higher than the expat. As for the expats, they get higher wages as that is the only way to get them to come & work in Malaysia.

Even when our beloved Petronas lost their employees, they didn't raise the salary, cuma bagi elaun saja (which may be withdrawn at any time). The fact of the matter is, selagi manpower supply is more than the demand, they can do whatever their fancy. Afterall, it is a business entity.

Sampai lah satu tahap nanti bila masa rakyat Malaysia semuanya dah financially independent, then maybe they will do what these people over here are doing.

Will that ever happen???

Yep, deal with it as said by Chian.

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by noble-man on 2010-02-10, 10:29

rizi the doll wrote:
Chian wrote:Bro,
The irony is ............... here, locals are paid much more and enjoy more other allowances and benefits as compared to expat
derang reap benefits from their own country...
sebab tuu bengap camner pun rakyat depa... they will still be paid...
at least kita ada gak story nak citer kat geng Msia tiap kali balik sana... ehehhee...

MBA2009... u sedih sbb dengar citer Msian dibayar way more lower then expat kat Msia...
I used to handle HR in one of JV company with Petronas... tiap2 bulan time nak print payslip... sakit hati dok tengok...
expat keje 9-5... on the dot cabut... yang Msian nie... kul 8-9 malam lum tentu balik lagi...
and some of the expat tak tau apa keje yg derang buat... ramai gaks engineer Msia yang dok komplen...
tapi apakan daya... Rizi cuma Kulikutif...

I still remember what Datuk Rahim once told a group of us : "If you decide to leave Petronas and join them, what you will get is extra Dollars & Cents, that's it. You will never find self accomplishment, neither self empowerment, not even career progression, no self development and leadership roles."
I could not digest his words then. But today...I fully appreciate what he said.

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Chian on 2010-02-10, 11:21

That's why I fully support your proposal on last Monday so that people like you can return and tell the young ones ........... what you have gone through

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Wak on 2010-02-10, 12:31

Rambut sama hitam, hati lain-lain...

Kalau turut kata hati nak balik Mesia, balik jer.

Kalau nak stay sini lagi, stay jer.

Kat Mesia pun, fresh grad yang tanam anggur pun dah puluh-puluh ribu orang, beri la chance depa cari kerja.

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Chian on 2010-02-10, 13:05

Wak, ex-Petronas staff merasakan expats kebanyakannya 'hit and run'. Depa tak really train fresh grad yang akan mewarisi khazanah bangsa.
Itu pasal 'otai-otai' nak balik and contribute. Apakan daya ........ niat baik tak diterima.

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Wak on 2010-02-10, 13:49

apa kan daya.....? kerja la kat sini sampai umur 55 tahun...lepas tu retire...

Balik Malaysia nanti untuk bersara..bukan untuk kerja.


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Post by rizi the doll on 2010-02-10, 13:52

Wak wrote:apa kan daya.....? kerja la kat sini sampai umur 55 tahun...lepas tu retire...

Balik Malaysia nanti untuk bersara..bukan untuk kerja.



betul tuu Wak...
retire kat Msia... kita blasah golf hari2...
kalau taknak golf... kita sabit rumput jer... hehehehe...

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Re: Iraq Oil Field Goes to Royal Dutch Shell and Petronas

Post by Chian on 2010-02-10, 13:56

Ha ha ha ........ betul gak. Balik nanti kita retire la kan ? Tak kan nak keje lagi ya dak ?

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Post by Wak on 2010-02-10, 14:10

that's right..main golf setiap hari.

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