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DNA yang ada, sudah lama

Post by Rifdee on 2008-07-19, 08:04

Soalan: DNA ada tarikh sahlaku (expiry date) ke? Mungkin org makmal, jurutera atau doktor kalangan kita boleh beri pendapat?

PM: DNA yang ada, sudah lama
> Muda Mohd Noor | Jul 18, 08 6:35pm
> kemaskini 9:03pm Perdana menteri Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi
> berkata DNA Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim diperlukan kerana DNA yang ada,
> sudah lama.
>
> "Jadi kita kena minta yang baru," katanya ketika ditemui pemberita di
> Putrajaya petang tadi selepas melancarkan teksi hidrofuel.
>
> Polis sedang menyiasat aduan terhadap Anwar yang dibuat oleh bekas
> pembantunya Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan, mendakwa diliwat oleh ketua
> umum PKR pada 26 Jun lalu.
>
> Anwar enggan memberi contoh baru DNA beliau kerana bimbang ia akan
> dimanipulasi seperti yang didakwanya pernah berlaku 10 tahun yang lalu
> ketika perbicaraan kes pertamanya pada 1999.
>
> Lagi pula, kata mantan timbalan perdana menteri itu, DNA beliau
> telahpun diambil untuk kes tersebut.
>
> Mengulas perkara itu, Abdullah berkata beliau telah bertanyakan pihak
> berkenaan mengapa mereka memerlukan DNA Anwar yang baru.
>
> Katanya, mereka memberitahu beliau bahawa contoh DNA itu sudah lama
> dan mereka perlu ambil sekali lagi.
>
> Abdullah sekali lagi menafikan bahawa wujud sebarang konspirasi untuk
> menganiayai Anwar dalam siasatan kes ini.
>
> "Kalau beliau rasa tidak bersalah, mengapa perlu risau dengan DNA yang
> baru? Yang penting, kalau tidak bersalah, berikanlah DNA itu.
>
> "Saya memberi jaminan, isu ini hendak diselesaikan dengan segera,"
katanya.
>
> Beliau berkata Malaysia tidak dapat membetulkan semua tanggapan
> antarabangsa terhadap isu ini yang didakwa mempunyai unsur konspirasi.
>
> "Pada bila-bila masa, saya memberi jaminan siasatan terhadap isu Anwar
> dibuat secara profesional.
>
> "Saya telah menyatakan perkara siasatan ini kepada isterinya Datuk
> Seri Dr Wan Azizah Wan Ismail ketika isterinya datang jumpa saya,"
> katanya.
>
> Dalam perkembangan berkaitan, peguam Anwar hari ini berkata penasihat
> PKR enggan menyerahkan sampel DNA kerana bimbang berulang proses
> pemalsuan bukti sampel itu seperti dalam perbicaraan kes pertamanya
> kira-kira 10 tahun lepas.
>
> Sivarasa Rasiah, yang juga naib presiden PKR, berkata Anwar pernah
> mengalami penipuan bukti DNA beliau apabila sampel sebenar dalam
> jagaan polis forensik telah dibuang secara tidak sah oleh seorang
> pegawai berpangkat senior asisten komisioner.
>
> "Ketika disoal balas terhadap saksi-saksi pendakwaan, terdedahlah
> bahawa DNA yang diambil dari sampel darah telah sengaja diletakkan
> (kemudian) ke atas tilam yang dikenali umum itu (melalui televisyen), "
> kata Sivarasa.
>
> "Apabila dihadapkan dengan fakta ini, pihak pendakwaan meminda
> pertuduhan (terhadap Anwar) dan memujuk hakim, (Datuk Seri S)
> Augustine Paul, agar membuang keseluruhan bukti DNA daripada rekod
> (keterangan mahkamah), menghalang peguam-peguam Anwar mencabarnya. "
>
> Pada 1998, Anwar dituduh menyalahgunakan kuasa apabila cuba
> mempengaruhi tugas polis dalam siasatan terhadap dakwaan salah laku
> seksnya.
>

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Re: DNA yang ada, sudah lama

Post by noble-man on 2008-07-22, 10:26

Copied this from Malaysiakini.

'DNA profiling is permanent'
Jul 22, 08 8:49am
‘The idea that the current government and police force need to have Anwar's blood for new DNA profiling is illogical.’



On Existing DNA sample too old, says PM

DR PR: Why must Syed Hamid Albar and the PM coax Anwar Ibrahim to give a blood specimen? What interest do they have in this episode if it is not political? The survival or demise of BN depends on the outcome of this case.

The Mahathir family and the DPM have their worries too. The PM and Syed Hamid have said that Anwar has nothing to fear and foreign experts may obtain the specimen. Either they do not understand or pretend not to understand the fears of DSAI.

To put it bluntly, a blood or serum specimen from DSAI could be introduced by catheter into the rectum of the complainant (or mixed in vitro ie. with Saiful's specimen outside of the body in a test tube) and any sample taken from Saiful will show the presence of Anwar's DNA.

Thus Anwar will be found to guilty of sodomy. Simple. I have two suggestions to get around this problem:

1. Get a foreign DNA expert to obtain a specimen from Saiful, create a DNA profile, seal the results and leave it with the court under security (or should it be double security?).

Subsequently, get Anwar’s specimen and compare his DNA profile with that obtained from Saiful.

2. The other option would be to radio-label Anwar's specimen. If the radio isotope is detectable in Saiful's specimen, then you will know that it has been planted.

Dr Nedu: It was the joke of the century when the PM commented on the DNA. The funny part is he got the facts wrong. When the experts collect blood samples the get the coding, it is translated into a chart which is on permanent record. This record is done once, and that's it.

It is something like profiling a blood test. If you are in the group of A+, then you are forever A+. It is unnecessary to withdraw blood to get the grouping after 10 years or 20 years. The grouping will not change.

Likewise, DNA profiling is permanent. The idea that the current government and police force need to have Anwar's blood for new DNA profiling is illogical.

This simply shows the lack of knowledge among this group of people and to paint bad picture about DSAI refusing to allow blood sample taken from him.

Why is PM getting involved when he said police are independent and that the Umno politicians are not getting involved in the investigation of the so-called sodomy case of DSAI.? Why did he say ‘we’? That shows he is part of the team that accused DSAI of sodomy.

Forget about the sodomy case. Look at other important unsolved cases, like the missing Sharline, Lingam tape, Altantuya murder, missing Bala, and Datuk Johari's cases. etc. After all is said and done, DSAI is the best leader this nation can get. We the rakyat want him as our next PM.

V for Vernon: While scientists the world over have extracted and reliably used DNA from over tens of thousands of years ago, our local saintis kampung in the form of Abdullah Ahmad Badawi says that ten-year-old DNA samples are no good and that they need fresh DNA from Anwar.

Genetic experts should weigh in on the range, by way of confidence intervals for example, on how precise the age of a DNA sample can be pinpointed.

For example, if they have Anwar's DNA from 10 years ago and tried to plant it as evidence, it may clearly be debunked using objective tests that indicate a sample obtained from a time period not corresponding to the time that Saiful says he was sodomised. (i.e., DNA does indeed disintegrate over time, yet does not lose its ability to ‘finger print’ the individual).

On the other hand, fresh DNA might fall within a range of estimates for the time period corresponding to Saiful's allegation.

That may be why the government and the police are increasingly desperate to obtain fresh DNA samples from Anwar, so that if planted, it becomes very uncertain exactly when it was ‘deposited’ into Saiful's posterior, with the actual planting of evidence becoming indistinguishable from the alleged act of depositing semen by way of sodomy.

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Re: DNA yang ada, sudah lama

Post by Rifdee on 2008-07-23, 09:30

Finally! an alternative view.

I'm no expert in this field but someone up there sure looks really dumb right now.. bounce

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Re: DNA yang ada, sudah lama

Post by noble-man on 2008-07-23, 09:44

I'm indeed very sad that Malaysia is led by stupid people. And we have to bear this stupidity for 2 more years ???

Last Friday, the PM of Malaysia was supposed to unveil the govt's plan/ steps to ease the burden of Malaysians from the high oil price.
He said he wud make the announcement on Friday and everyone was anxiously waiting. Come Friday, nothing....another pembohongan !

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Post by gangster_mache on 2008-07-27, 16:57

noble-man wrote:I'm indeed very sad that Malaysia is led by stupid people. And we have to bear this stupidity for 2 more years ???

Last Friday, the PM of Malaysia was supposed to unveil the govt's plan/ steps to ease the burden of Malaysians from the high oil price.
He said he wud make the announcement on Friday and everyone was anxiously waiting. Come Friday, nothing....another pembohongan !


nie pasal DNA ker pasal minyak naik.... baik kita tgk jer la keputusannye.... x yah nak pandai2 komen...
klu pandai sgt x la dtg keje kat cni.... tolong la bentuk Malaysia yg diidamkan... bukan komplen jer lbih.....

*tgh nak bentuk diri sendri*

lol!

"ELECTRICITY COMES FROM ELECTRON...MORALITY COMES FROM MORON"

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Re: DNA yang ada, sudah lama

Post by Rifdee on 2008-07-27, 20:11

gangster_mache wrote:
noble-man wrote:I'm indeed very sad that Malaysia is led by stupid people. And we have to bear this stupidity for 2 more years ???

Last Friday, the PM of Malaysia was supposed to unveil the govt's plan/ steps to ease the burden of Malaysians from the high oil price.
He said he wud make the announcement on Friday and everyone was anxiously waiting. Come Friday, nothing....another pembohongan !

nie pasal DNA ker pasal minyak naik.... baik kita tgk jer la keputusannye.... x yah nak pandai2 komen...
klu pandai sgt x la dtg keje kat cni.... tolong la bentuk Malaysia yg diidamkan... bukan komplen jer lbih.....

*tgh nak bentuk diri sendri*


Aik! bukankah 'forum' maksudnya = 'a public meeting place for open discussion or expression of ideas'... Surprised

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Re: DNA yang ada, sudah lama

Post by noble-man on 2008-07-28, 09:17

"nie pasal DNA ker pasal minyak naik.... "
- pasal kedua-duanya sekali, the bottom line is "Stupidity" !

"baik kita tgk jer la keputusannye.... x yah nak pandai2 komen..."
- Tuhan menganugerahkan kita dgn 'aqal supaya kita berfikir, dgn mata supaya kita dapat melihat, dgn telinga utk kita mendengar, dgn tangan supaya dapat membuat kebajikan,,,,,and the list goes on....

If you decide utk setakat "tgk jer la", it is up to you. As for me, I will continue to speak out.

"klu pandai sgt x la dtg keje kat cni.... "
- Hello brader,....that explains why we are here. If tanahair kita is what it is used to be, we are not here in the first place.

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Re: DNA yang ada, sudah lama

Post by silver16v on 2008-07-28, 14:11

Doctor: No evidence of sodomy [MalaysiaKini]
Beh Lih Yi and P Tarani : Jul 28, 08 1:36pm

There is no evidence that Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan was sodomised, according to the doctor who examined him four hours before he lodged a police report alleging he was sexually assaulted by PKR leader Anwar Ibrahim.

It is believed that Anwar's former aide Saiful went to two different hospitals on June 28 - the day he lodged the police report claiming that he was sodomised by his ex-boss.

He first went to Hospital Pusrawi (Pusat Rawatan Islam) in Jalan Tun Razak - a government-linked Islamic medical institution - at about 2pm.

According to a copy of the two-page medical report obtained by malaysiakini yesterday, Saiful went to the hospital complaining of 'tenesmus' - a medical term for difficulty and pain in passing motion.

He was examined by Dr Mohamed Osman Abdul Hamid, the medical officer on duty.

The doctor said that the patient had alleged he was assaulted by the intrusion of a piece of "plastic" in the anus.

Mohamed Osman, according to his medical report which was recorded at 2.14pm, found "zero active bleeding", "zero ulcer or pus", "zero tear and scar" in Saiful's anus.

He also stated that Saiful appeared "alert", "comfortable", "not pale" and did not show any fever symptoms.

A senior Pusrawi official told malaysiakini this morning that the hospital had launched an internal investigation on how Saiful's medical report was leaked, which is widely considered as a major infringement of patient privacy.

When malaysiakini showed him a copy of the report, he refused to return it saying, "It's our document."

A check at the emergency unit where Mohamed Osman is attached revealed that he has taken leave since last
week.

Meanwhile, Pusrawi general manager Wan Mahmood Wan Yaacob refused to comment on the matter.

Conflicting medical reports

Mohamed Osman, in his report's concluding remarks, advised Saiful to go to a government hospital so as "to rule out" assault and sodomy.

At 6pm on that day, Saiful went to Hospital Kuala Lumpur for his second medical examination. He subsequently lodged a report against Anwar at the police beat at the hospital.

According to an expert who has dealt with rape and sodomy cases, the victim must provide a second medical examination in a government hospital.

She said the court will only accept evidence from a government hospital but the first medical examination must collaborate with the second report, otherwise this could be challenged during the trial.

"From the report, the doctor had failed to find any evidence to support the patient's complaint. That was why he asked the patient to go to a government hospital to conclusively rule out assault or sodomy," said the expert who requested anonymity.

It is learnt that the police have recorded statements from Mohamed Osman after Saiful lodged the report against Anwar.

The doctor was said to be under tremendous stress as a result of the police interrogation and was advised by the hospital to take leave.

Mohamed Osman, a Burmese Muslim, has 20 years of experience as a doctor. He previously worked in government hospitals before joining Pusrawi about a year ago.

Efforts by malaysiakini to contact Saiful has not been successful.





Translation ;

Sejarah perubatan.

Mengadu sakit bontot
Sakit kat lubang dubur masa buang air besar selama seminggu
Pesakit mengadu di"serang"..

Pemeriksaan fizikal

am
tidak pucat
tidak demam

Pemeriksaan per rectum/ lubang bontot

Tiada pendarahan aktif
tiada parut
tiada luka
tiada nanah

Diagnosis

TRO "serangan"

(Pesakit bercadang untuk pergi ke hospital kerajaan) Untuk membuat laporan polis...

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